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Editorial: It’s time to move on from Vermes.

David Greenwald explains why it is time for Peter Vermes to go from Sporting Kansas City. After years, he’s #PVOut.

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In the moments following Sporting Kansas City’s home loss, Peter Vermes said, “It’s not good enough, the responsibility is on me.” Truer words have never been spoken. Because it is Vermes’ responsibility and because the results over the last two seasons have been wholly unacceptable, it’s time for the club to fire Vermes. The start to the 2023 season is historically bad and is trending toward a fan mutiny.

I’ve been an ardent Vermes supporter for years. I firmly believe that it’s extremely difficult to compete for cups in this league year in and year out. For as dominant as Seattle was from 2016 to 2020 in the playoffs, 2021 saw Seattle lose in the first round to a RSL team that didn’t record a shot on goal. They missed the playoffs completely in 2022. The reality is that even the good franchises don’t consistently compete for MLS Cup. We’ve evolved past the dynasty eras of DC United and LA Galaxy. The league is based heavily in parity and while some clubs have figured things out (Seattle, Philadelphia, and NYCFC), there are plenty of clubs that are riding a rollercoaster each year.

Peter Vermes has been remarkably consistent during his tenure with Sporting Kansas City. In the last 10 years, the club has missed the playoffs twice. Vermes does not adapt quickly or easily. His game management has often left fans questioning his decision making. He often has struggled to right the ship during the mid-late season lulls. However, Vermes has historically done well to correct weaknesses when given time. After years of having a side that focused on defense and left fans wanting for goals, the club made big signings and set a record for goals scored. After years of first round away games in the MLS Cup playoffs, the club focused on finishing the regular season stronger and playing in front of the home fans.

Kansas City fans should be thanking Peter Vermes for all he’s done for the club. Multiple trophies in the case during his tenure as manager. Years of forward-thinking work as a technical and sporting director – signing a homegrown player from Hungary; one of the earliest adopters of the homegrown rules; and using GAM and TAM to create a roster that was well balanced but loaded with guys who were earning over the DP threshold. Vermes took advantage of the territory rules to scout and sign academy players like Gianluca Busio and Jaylin Lindsey. During his tenure, the club has created a robust affiliate system that has expanded youth soccer throughout the KC Metro area and the Midwest as a whole. Vermes’ success with Sporting Kansas City showed that soccer is a major sport that this city loves.

For as much as Peter Vermes has done for Sporting Kansas City, it’s time to say goodbye. The club missed the playoffs in 2019. They rebounded to win the west during the 2020 COVID season and should have won the west in 2021 as well. But 2022 was abysmal and 2023 has been embarrassing. Sporting KC looks like they’ll miss the playoffs for the 3rd time in 5 seasons. That doesn’t meet the standard that Peter Vermes himself set for the club. The expectations and the bar have been raised. It has become clear that Vermes and Brian Bliss, the club’s technical director, are no longer able to construct a roster that can compete in this league. An over reliance on aging veterans and injury prone players has crippled the roster over the last two seasons. The once promising academy has produced few contributors to the first team.

Sporting has signed 20 homegrown players since 2010. Of those 20, only four have consistently contributed to the first team. Of the six homegrown players signed in 2021, only three remain with the first team. Of those three (Ozzie Cisneros, Jake Davis, and Kayden Pierre), none can make any claim that they’ve impacted the first team. Sporting Kansas City II, formerly know as the Swope Park Rangers, made consecutive USL championship appearances in 2016 and 2017 and made the conference semi-finals in 2018. In the years that have followed, the team’s performances have deteriorated, finishing 36th, 23rd, and 30th overall in the USL, and 15th in the first year of MLS Next Pro. The second team has shown limited success in preparing players for the first team, making the club’s talk about the “pro player pathway” more lip service than realized vision.

The hard reboot needed by this club requires us to say goodbye to more than Vermes himself. His vision and structure need to evolve and need a fresh set of eyes. Brian Bliss, Kerry Zavagnin, Zoran Savic, Joey Harty, and Kurt Andrews all need to go. Yes, I named virtually everyone on the technical staff. I’m not thrilled to suggest that people should lose their jobs, but for the next manager and sporting director to succeed, they need to be able to start with a clean slate.

Peter Vermes is a Sporting Legend and a Kansas City Icon. Some of the best moments of my adult life took place at Children’s Mercy Park. But it’s time to say good. For all these reasons, I’m #PVOut.

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J.Wm.

Amen, DG.

#VermesOut
#BlissOut
#WeDeserveBetter

Alex Bruening

Well written, David. I think we sometimes lose sight and forget that we can hold two views simultaneously: Vermes has done more for Sporting KC than most managers have done for their clubs throughout MLS and should be revered and thanked, but also is too rigid and lacks the accountability and drive to continuously evolve that has led to the predicament we’re in now.

#PVOutbutThanksForTheMemories

Ryan Cox

I’m not sold on PV out of a front office role. I am on the #VermesOut side of him no longer coaching. Let him spend a year or two focused on finding players and the right people to develop the youth. I think he can excel at that and continue to help the club from that standpoint. Definitely better than he is now, if that is his only focus.

But as a coach, he’s done. Games evolve and players change. Those old and tried ways of winning don’t work forever. The NBA no longer plays through the post, the NFL isn’t all about grinding it out on the ground, and MLS is no longer about having a solid defense and having a cross find its mark. A fresh set of eyes and ideas on the #VermesOut bandwagon when it comes to Coach PV.

Shawn Gillogly

1) I don’t think Vermes would be willing to remain in that reduced role

2) I don’t think it would be fair to either Vermes or the new coach to have Sporting Legend looking over his shoulder. Or the coach changing what Vermes did.

3) Vermes’ roster construction is a major part of why we’re in this place. And if a new manager brings in a new system, why do you think Vermes would identify talent for a system not his own better than the one he believes in?

Ryan Cox

That’s valid. My thought was it’s going to be impossible to fire him. He is stretched, so let’s reduce what he does have control over and let him focus on one aspect. Plus if he is in the front office, you can phase him out and it won’t be a visible issue as if you kept him only as the coach and then had to fire him later on. You could just keep changing his role until he no longer had much to do with the day to day operations.

KCoutsider

So you’re saying gradually shift him to the basement and take away his stapler?

mutters They told me I didn’t have to sub and I don’t want to sub and they can’t make me sub and I was told I could sub at a reasonable volume from the hours of 7:30-9:30 and…

Ryan Cox

Pretty much. Let him show up every now and then at coaching clinics or events, but pretty much slowly take away ability to affect the team. That way he doesn’t threaten to burn the place down if they don’t give him his stapler back.

KCoutsider

You know how much things have changed when it’s not absurd, even comedically, to compare PV with Milton.

A&W

I’m more on the inverse of that, personally. The tactics Vermes is asking his team to run on the pitch are not a far cry from what teams like LAFC run. Literally the only difference between LAFC and SKC is personnel, and a bit more of a focus on the middle of the pitch than the wings for LAFC, but otherwise it’s identical. Tata was the same. Clubs around the world use similar systems. I think the problem is more around the inability to keep guys healthy and the poor construction of the middle of the roster. These players can’t get it done. Some because they’re old, some because they’re naïve, and some because they’re just not very good. That falls on Vermes the SD (and Bliss the TD) than it does Vermes the coach IMO.

That being said, I think it’s time for him to move on from both.

Ryan Cox

I have a really hard time with him constantly running out the same guys all of the time. I keep coming back to Tzoinis looking good and picking up an assist and a goal on Tuesday, but being left out of the 18 on Saturday without any explanation. And I know that the tactics are similar to other teams, but Tata never asked Martinez to track all the way back to his own 18 to help on D. He stayed up and was the target. That is the complete opposite of what PV is asking Paulido to do. Cherundolo doesn’t have Vela or Bouanga track back and play D the way Russell and Salloi do. They stay up so they are ready for the attack as soon as the ball is turned over.

If we are going to run a 4-5-1, then leave Paulido up as a target and stop asking him to drop so low. If you are running a 4-3-3, the leave someone up enough that we can target them and start the attack. Neither is happening and it looks like a confused mess on the field right now. You see it on the players faces. They know the runs they should be making. They aren’t allowed to make the runs because that’s not what PV wants. But if they do make them off book and create something, like Tzoinis and Hernandez, then PV puts them on the bench. That’s why he has to go as the coach. It’s all about him and he’s not letting the players be creative and play on their own.

Shawn Gillogly

Well said. And I concur

#VermesOut

Eric

I’m having some professional writer’s block, so I tried writing something other than scientific articles to get my fingers moving last night. I‘ve written an imagined open letter to fans from SKC, something I would write if my organization was struggling. I have no relationship to Sporting Club or any affiliated entities. I don’t necessarily even fully agree with everything I wrote.

*Since I wrote this, I saw that Cauldron actually released a letter to the SKC FO. I’d have to think about how I’d respond to the Cauldron letter this afternoon.

I’d love to have other’s thoughts, critiques, or even a progressive writing round robin. Whatever. Anything to channel what is otherwise pretty bleak energy around this soccer team.

[An imagined open letter] To the Sporting KC faithful,

The 2023 has not started the way any fan of Sporting KC would have hoped. Everyone in this organization, from players to staff to owners, believes we can, and must, do better for our city and ourselves. As an organization, we are always reviewing at all aspects of our operations for ways to improve. We have listened to season ticket members and the Cauldron, we have read what is being said about us. As any organization should, we took a measured approach to evaluation, not acting rashly or without full information. Ten games into this season, it is clear to all that we are not sufficiently living up to our expectations or yours, on and off the field. This is our plan and our commitment to you.

Our organization operates on a set of values: Team First, Work Ethic, Intelligence, Pursuing Excellence Everyday. We believe strongly in our values. They provide a road map back to the high standards we hold ourselves to. We’re committed to re-energizing this organization and this soccer community in the following ways.

Team First: The heart and future of this team is in the development of the next generation of players. We recommit ourselves to investments in the academy and second team scouting and coaching. We have tremendous faith in our new Academy director, Declan Jogi, to oversee growth and recruitment both in our region and throughout the US. 

We consider the fans part of our team. Senior SKC leadership and ownership will hold monthly listening sessions with a different supporter group each month. Both sides will come with open minds and new ideas. Not every idea can be acted upon, but we recognize solutions come from a diversity of perspectives that should be heard. At the end of the season, we will invite all parties back for a review of our conversations and a discussion about next year.

Pursuing Excellence Everyday: If one looks only at league table, there is no doubt that there are legitimate questions about our pursuit of excellence. Broadly, as an organization, we have demonstrated an abiding commitment to excellence through the Compass Minerals Performance Center, our expansion of the Victory Project objectives, our support of the the World Cup bid. These achievements set us apart from other MLS clubs. And we remain fiercely proud of the winning mentality that helped us accomplish these things.

But we also know that the game day experience has lost some energy. It is no longer the premier soccer environment in the US. To address this, we will be hiring a VP of the game day experience. This person will be responsible for listening, innovating, and energizing the environment at Children’s Mercy Park. Some important traditions will remain, but we expect to also try new things, and we look forward to hearing from you. 

Our Sporting players are amazing people, on and off the field. We continue to believe that if they play for each other and you, we will see results.

Intelligence: Soccer has evolved rapidly. Sporting KC has evolved with it, as evidenced by our trophy case and our Wall. But all organizations need fresh ideas, new insights, and to critically evaluate all aspects of performance. 

We recognize the importance of a tight-knit, tenured technical staff. We also recognized the competing importance of a diversity of ideas and opinions on tactics and strategy. To directly support our on field performance we will be investing in a new position.To borrow a concept from the legal profession, we will hire a Tactical Adversarial Counsel. The new position will have access Monday post-game ‘war room’ sessions with the technical staff. Importantly, the Tactical Adversarial Counsel will answer to ownership, not the technical or sporting director. The job of this person and their analytics team, will be to challenge our sporting operations with alternative ideas, not necessarily in an adversarial manner, but with new perspectives and alternative intelligence that can only come from a diversity of opinion and information. 

Work Ethic: All of these changes must be pursued with intensity. We continue to believe that Sporting Director Peter Vermes and President Jake Reid are the right people, with the necessary vision and work ethic, to get us back to competing for trophies every year.

We understand the last two years have been frustrating. We are frustrated too. We aren’t going to overcome these challenges immediately. But together, and by keeping to who we are as an organization and a community, we believe we can return Glory to Kansas City. 

Chad Smith

I’m not sure why this got down voted, but I upped it.

It seems like an interesting creative writing experience. I suppose by people that came here to here on “Fire Vermes” and nothing else. The fact that you cranked this out and the FO hasn’t responded at all, is kind of sad.

Sheena

It’s tough because Peter Vermes is the only coach I’ve known since I started following Sporting Kansas City. He’s done a lot to improve the team and has brought us some exciting years and players. For me, it’d be odd to have a different coach. However, that doesn’t mean change shouldn’t happen. It will be like one day when Patrick Mahomes is no longer the Chiefs QB. It will be sad and shocking to see someone else on the field, but at some point, all good things must come to an end. For Sporting Kansas City, it’s time to bring someone new to rejuvenate the team but also the fans. This team is stale, and we need some new energy and passion.
I’m not confident any changes will occur this season. Depending on the terms of his extension it may not happen anytime soon. There may be too much money involved to fire him. I know they are billionaires, but I’m sure the owners want to keep as much of their money as possible.
Vermes is deeply rooted in the club. I believe he can still bring value to the organization, but to utilize his value he would need to give up responsibility and focus on one job. I doubt there’s a situation he would do it. I hope he’s forced to make a decision to either reduce his roles or walk away from the team. Shawn brings up a valid point, it’s not fair to the next person if PV remains.
I have a lot of complaints about the team, organizations, etc. However, my complaint about Peter Vermes is he’s lost his passion. I haven’t seen him as enraged or lively since the downward spiral started. He mostly sits back and watches the games, with small spurts of anger. It’s a small thing but could be contributing to the team’s issue. Perhaps his system requires him to be angry to be successful. My idea sounds kind of ridiculous, but I feed off other people’s passion in the workplace. I enjoy low-key Management, but I’m more passionate about topics if my leadership is too. I’m sure some of the players feed off his energy.
Also, I’d like to see his anger in the press conferences. His answers to the press sound scripted like he’s used them before. Show us something. He’s a shell of what he used to be. I want to see him pissed off with decisions the ref has made or how he’s sick of losing. He comes across as burnt out, which he should be with all the various roles he has with the team.
Well, this became a short story, but all this to say, it’s been a fun run with Peter Vermes behind the wheel, but it’s time to hand the keys over to someone else.

Bryan (the artist formerly known as Chzbro)

You take that back, Sheena! Patrick Mahomes will never retire! We will build a robot body his cryogenically frozen brain can be thawed out and loaded into every Sunday for the next four centuries!

Sheena

Lol fair enough, I take it back! Patrick Mahomes will forever be the Chief’s QB. I’m sorry to let that negative air into the universe. My bad. 🙂

KCoutsider

I’ve read this several times looking for things to quibble with or discuss, but can’t find any. I find myself agreeing with every word.

Something that really hits home with me is the theme of responsibility. It’s easy to say the word, but PV’s not giving any sign that he’s willing to actually consider it. If a failure is your responsibility, why? What have you done wrong? What do you need to change? THAT’S what responsibility means.

And along with his many positives, one thing that’s always bugged me about PV is his tendency to deflect blame. He has a tendency to throw out-of-favor players under the bus. He loves complaining about refs. His usual reaction to a loss is to imply that the players weren’t good enough to implement his genius, not that he did anything wrong in choosing the tactical setup, subs, whatever.

Sheena

Yes! He likes to deflect and/or place blame elsewhere. In a leadership role, you take responsibility when something has gone wrong and work on a resolution to improve the situation. It sucks losing and knowing your strategy didn’t work. However, placing blame on everyone but yourself is a cowardly move. How can the team improve if he won’t admit he’s part of the problem?
The conversation would be different if he was trying new formations, switching the line-up, etc but it’s basically the same line-up with the same mistakes and results.

Shawn Gillogly

Good to see the Cauldron leadership step up and demand the Club do better today. I don’t think they went far enough, obviously. But demanding improvement and expressing their discontent openly is a clear signal to Ownership they have not done enough. And it was warranted and appropriate.

#VermesOut

KCoutsider

Do you have a link or story for those of us not tied into social media or wherever else this might be happening? Where was this covered and how did it happen?

Shawn Gillogly

It’s on Twitter. So there’s no place else to see it: https://twitter.com/KCCauldron/status/1654212532641341440

KCoutsider

Thanks, that’s great. One major benefit to Twitter (as opposed to Facebook) is that anyone can see anything published on it without being a member. Most stuff on Facebook is hidden from non-users (which gets really frustrating when it’s used to disseminate important information).

Bryan (the artist formerly known as Chzbro)

Welcome to the party, DG! Last year, I didn’t think you’d ever become a convert, and look at you now, whipping us up into a proper lather! But seriously, even though I was #PV Out all of last yea, there were times I had my doubts it was the right move. As you point out in this editorial, it’s become pretty clear that, like it or not, it has to happen.

MattScho

Vermes deserves a statue in from the stadium. Which also, kind of, serves as the tomb for his time in charge. Agree completely: He has been brilliant. That’s no longer the case. It’s not even the wins/losses/ties and playoff spots. etc, for me. We look lost. We do not look at all like the team Vermes tries to put out. Sadly, that’s on him, and only really him.

Zorico

There’s precedent for that in our area. K-State built Bill Snyder a statue for all he did, then fired him because the game had passed him by. It worked out for them, it could work for SKC.

Gio

Trash , divisive article , nothing but bringing down the team.. pushing bad aura and energy into our boys who need support… yall play checkers not chess.. simple. Trash article

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