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The timing was uncanny. On Monday, Chicago Fire FC Sporting Director George Heitz fired Manager Ezra Hendrickson less than an hour after New York Red Bulls Direct of Sport Jochen Schneider fired Manager Gerhard Struber and his Assistant coach Bernd Eibler.

These nearly concurrent announcements came a day after Sporting Kansas City defeated Western Conference leaders Seattle Sounders 2-1 in Seattle. The same Sporting Kansas City who had been tumbling into a 0-7-3 crater of a season. The thing is, Sporting’s current record, even after the win, is worse than both Chicago and New York’s. And over the last two seasons, Red Bulls have gained 62 points to Kansas City’s 46. Even Chicago has out totaled Kansas City 50-46. The only team worse than Sporting over the last two seasons is DC United (41 pts), who fired their coach last July and now best Kansas City by eight points in the current table.

Granted, the injury bug has bit Sporting hard many times since 2018, like happens to all teams. Thus, some of their top players have not always been available and there has been a drop off in performance. However, the drop off happening is not an expected drop in form because some backups are playing and some players are coming back from long-term injuries. A quality side has depth that can at least tread water until the top players return. One win in 11 and only five goals scored is not drop off, it’s damn near capitulation. Thus, a large finger must be pointed at roster construction. Going back farther, Sporting Kansas City is 12-27-10 since the last three matches of 2021, plus the 2021 playoffs.

Related: Sporting KC’s sad state, Chicago’s Shaqiri problem & more from Matchday 9 | MLSSoccer.com

How did Sporting Kansas City weaken so? Many theories have been written or illustrated in recent weeks and days by many, some seeming to think that the problems are relatively new. But the cause of Sporting’s demise is cumulative and has been coming for years. The pundits at mlssoccer.com and the scribes and podcasters at kcsoccerjournal.com (formerly thebluetestament.com) and at other outlets have long been sounding the alarm. This writing adds to the portfolio.


The date was September 5, 2018. I even wrote a commentary on the day’s announcement. In that commentary, I stated that Sporting Kansas City’s announcement sent three important messages:

To fans the message was… “We value commitment.”

To MLS… “We aren’t going anywhere.” (No pun intended.)

To current and future Sporting KC players… “This is how to be successful, and we are here to help you succeed.”

The day’s announcement was that Sporting had re-signed right back Graham Zusi, midfielders Roger Espinoza and Ilie, and left center back Matt Besler to new contracts.

A Tectonic Shift

  1. Sporting Kansas City.

Eighteen wins. Eight draws. Only two home losses. Sixty-two points (18-8-8). Finishing at the top of MLS’s Western Conference. 65 goals for (4th most in MLS), 40 goals against (3rd least). The side was led by:

  • a defense featuring the 2017 Goalkeeper of the Year Tim Melia and a center back pairing of stalwart Matt Besler and 2017 Defender of the Year Ike Opara.
  • an offense led by three attackers who scored in double figures across all competitions: Wingers Daniel Salloi (13) and Johnny Russell (12) and striker Diego Rubio (10).
  • a strong and diverse midfield triangle of Felipe Gutierrez, Roger Espinoza, and Ilie Sanchez.
  • Manager Peter Vermes, a finalist for MLS Coach of the Year that season.

Though Vermes had not guided Sporting back to MLS Cup in the five seasons since 2013’s championship season (2018 ended with a 3-2 home loss to 5th seed Portland Timbers in the two-leg conference final), Vermes – as both technical director and manager – had established a firm culture; helped guide the Sporting KC Academy, named tops in MLS; given the club a seeming clear direction; and built an aura of high expectation. Further affirmation came in January of 2019 as Vermes won the MLS Sporting Executive of the Year.

Sporting Kansas City fans were comfortable with, nay excited, compelled, by the state of their club. Yet, as did surely Sporting’s leadership, they wanted more.

In MLS – perhaps MLS 3.0 – things were moving forward. Paying $70-110 million dollars in expansion fees to the league, Orlando City and New York City FC (2015), Atlanta United and Minnesota United (2017), and Los Angeles FC (2018) had come online.

With expansion came “new” ideas, especially in roster construction. Looking at Atlanta United’s 2017 squad alone (which finished 2nd in the East and in the Supporter’s Shield race), one could see a shift in the MLS landscape:

  • 20-year-old American defender Miles Robinson on a Generation Adidas contract
  • 22-year-old Paraguayan midfielder Hector Villalba as a designated player
  • 23-year-old Paraguayan midfielder Miguel Almiron as a designated player
  • 23-year-old German/American defender Julian Gressel
  • 23-year-old Venezuelan striker Josef Martinez as a designated player
  • 19-year-old American forward Brandon Vazquez.

Meanwhile, Sporting’s DPs were Yohan Croizet (age 26), Felipe Gutierrez (26), and Roger Espinoza (31). In age, Kansas City’s 2018 roster was the 5th oldest in MLS. For sure, experienced players (Zusi was 32 and Besler was 31) give a side a strong “win now” attribute, yet from 2013 through 2017, Sporting’s roster had never been any higher than 10th oldest.

Related: Part II of It’s not “the next Busio”: Sporting Kansas City Academy Director Declan Jogi talks in-depth on talent recognition and development – KC Soccer Journal

Likewise though, Atlanta’s expansion season roster was dotted with stable veterans like goalkeeper Brad Guzan and defender Michael Parkhurst and more. But Atlanta United were clearly looking to the future. Additionally, one needs only to look at the ascension of every one of those Atlanta players (but Villalba) through 2023 to see that Atlanta’s brass had an eye for talent. In Almiron’s case, he was sold to EPL club Newcastle United for an MLS record transfer fee in January of 2019.

By September of 2019 in Kansas City, Croizet was released by Kansas City, Gutierrez, though the team’s MVP in 2019, had missed the entire 2020 season due to injury and was released before the 2021 season.

Near the end of my commentary on the re-signings, I wrote, “Yes, there is recent signee Andreu Fontas (28), or others, who could supplant an aging Besler by the time the captain’s new contract expires. Yes, there is Designated Player Felipe Gutierrez (27) or [Wan] Kuzain who could supplant an aging Espinoza. Yes, Jaylin Lindsey is likely the right back of the future to supplant Zusi. But now is not the time to move on from these three veterans and Ilie for Sporting Kansas City.”

I did not foresee that five years later a 33-year-old Fontas is seemingly the first-choice left center back, a 36-year-old Espinoza is getting the lion’s share of minutes at one of the #8s in midfield, and a 36-year-old Zusi is the first-choice starter at right back. 2018 was not the time; 2023 is significantly past the time.

Rumblings

In January of 2019, Sporting Kansas City traded away then 29-year-old Opara to Minnesota United. At the time, the trade was met with some consternation as a vital piece of the best defensive center back pairing in MLS was gone, yet there was also much praising of Peter Vermes’ skill in “buying low and selling high” as Opara had been acquired in 2013 for a 2nd round draft pick and was traded for $900K in Targeted Allocation Money.

During the next five seasons, Sporting would play/bring in 12 different center backs – most who played at right center back – to find the right partner for Besler and then left center back Andreu Fontas after Besler was let go (without any compensation) before the 2021 season. That season, holding midfielder Ilie made 21 of his 33 appearances at, you guessed it, right center back.

NameDate acquiredAgeBirth NationGames/Min PlayedDate Left
Graham Smith 2/15/201823USA17/1377December of 2021
Botond Barath 12/18/201826Hungary 21/1749July of 2020
Abdul Rwatubyaye2/1/201922Rwanda2/164May of 2019
Winston Reid2/14/202031New Zealand10/728December of 2020
Roberto Puncec19-Dec28Croatia23/1805December of 2021
Nicolas Isimat-Mirin 2/3/202129France41/3225December of 2022
Kaveh Rad 3/8/202119USA5/244December of 2022
Robert Voloder1/19/202220Germany22/1507Current
Kortne Ford1/14/202225USA14/802Current (injured)
Robert Castellanos2/17/202324USA4/263Current
Chris Rindov2/10/202321USA one/4Current
Danny Rosero3/2/202329Colombia5/450Current

The amount of resources allotted to bring in and pay those center back candidates likely far exceeds the financial boon of trading Opara. Opara would go on to win the 2019 MLS Defender of the Year before multiple concussions and a difficulty recovery period led him to retire… Whether or not the concussions would have been Opara’s fate had he remained in Kansas City, one cannot know. What we do know… although Opara had signed a new contract with Sporting the season before he was traded and wanted more money after seeing Fontas receive a large contract …is that quality should be a valued commodity.

Even though Opara did not fit the mold of a center back who could distribute and possess the ball well enough to complement the new possession-based system Vermes was implementing, the system and the players Vermes placed within it desperately needed a center back… just like Opara. Two sleek passing, deep lying playmakers – one at holding midfield (Ilie) and the other at left center back (Besler/Fontas) – who lacked a significant array of athleticism demanded an aggressive, physically gifted right center back who never let anyone pass easily. Thus, the foundation of the team’s core, its spine, has been unsettled since Opara was traded.

Center back is not the only position that has been unsettled for Sporting Kansas City in recent years.

Sporting runs a 4-3-3, a formation dependent on the middle trio being elite, at least as a group, and it hasn’t been since that 2018 season when Chilean Gutierrez (27) at the #10/8, Espinoza (31) at the other #8, and Ilie (27) at the base #6 patrolled the meat of the spine. The aftershock is that the new system of play has been ridiculously under-manned.

Related: In 2023… Part III, Trends in Time: Sporting Kansas City 2017-2022 – The Blue Testament

Sporting’s critical midfield trio had one elite player from 2017 through 2021 – Ilie. Ilie was (and still is) a player who embodies next-level composure on the ball, who helps a side have next-level possession and playmaking from deep midfield. Ilie is able to not only progress the ball, but to find the right player in the right space at the right time. Those are special skills that only special players have. Although those skills were not enough to be cherished by FC Barcelona’s system, where he developed, or at 1860 Munich, they play very well in MLS and its related competitions.

When Ilie was let go in November of 2021 (Yes, Sporting received no compensation for him.), Los Angeles Football Club (LAFC) picked up the Spaniard because he was a plug-and-play figure for them. Twenty-four-year-old Ecuadorian Jose Ciefuentes and 27-year-old American Kelyn Acosta are youthful, athletic midfielders with the industry and soccer IQ that enable all three to be at their best. Players need to be put into situations where they can succeed. Isn’t that how roster construction works? Now, Ilie is invigorated, even at age 32. Now, this is the consensus on Ilie at LAFC:

“arguably LAFC’s most important player. If he doesn’t get going, chances are the champs won’t look like the champs.”

The problem is not that Kansas City let Ilie go (they shouldn’t have), it is that they hardly ever put the right players next to him (center back included) to highlight his abilities when they did have him.

Reelfoot(y) Rift

Two other facets of LAFC’s approach are relevant here. First, Ciefuentes could be on the move soon due to offers from abroad. Proactively, they have brought in 24-year-old German-American Timothy Tillman to give their midfield depth and to groom Ciefuentes’ heir. Tillman has fit right in and has taken significant time from Ciefuentes. Meanwhile, Sporting signs players to replace Ilie at the vital #6 spot who are either not a fit (see Jose Mauri), not good enough (see Uri Rosell), or not able to play because of injury (see 30-year-old Nemanja Radoja).

Second, in 2022, the combined salaries of LAFC’s midfield trio was $2.617 million. The combined salary of Ilie, Gutierrez, and Espinoza in 2018 was $2.825 million with Espinoza hitting at $900K.

Espinoza was given designated player money by Sporting from 2015 through 2019. For all of Espinoza’s value as a box-to-box midfield hound, as a strong passer able to spray the ball around well, and as a clubhouse leader, he was never a DP-level player. That is the case for a number of players to whom Sporting gave DP money (which can include a portion of the transfer fee paid):

  • Jeferson in 2011 – remember him? Yah, me neither.
  • Zusi from 2014-2017 – Graham is a very good player and has served Kansas City well… but no.
  • Gerso Fernandes 2017 – A direct, vertical threat, yes. A limited skillset, yes. DP worthy? No.
  • Yohan Croizet 2018-2019 – No words are needed.

Sporting has made some sharp deals over the years – the sales/trades of Dom Dwyer, Feilhaber, and Gianluca Busio along with getting good players on free transfers – yet overall it has been more miss than hit. Other salary allotments that did not make sense include laying out $350,000 (and a first-round pick in the 2020 draft) to reacquire Krisztian Nemeth in August of 2018 and subsequently paying him $950K in 2019 and paying Khiry Shelton $650K (league average was $398,725) in 2021. Lastly, Sporting paid Opara $150K in 2017 and $324K (a substantial raise for sure) in 2018. Yet, they paid Fontas $999K in 2018 and a million plus through 2022, as well as Nicolas Isimat-Mirin $950K in 2021 and 2022.

While we are here, 2022 Supporter’s Shield and MLS Cup Runners-Up and 2023 CONCACAF Champions League Semifinalists Philadelphia Union (in his third year with the club) paid their MLS Best 11 Center back Jacob Glesnes and their MLS Best 11 left back Kai Wagner $675K and $510K respectively last season (and their key holding midfielder Jose Martinez $250K).

(Salary data from Final 2022 MLS Salaries Released – The Blue Testament)

Just a glance at the top six teams in MLS over the past two and a third seasons – New England Revolution, LAFC, Union, Portland Timbers, Nashville SC, Seattle and NYCFC and Montreal (the last three tied for sixth) – reveals that a balance of talents in the midfield or a difference-making attacking midfielder supported by a strong defensive midfielder and a solid backline is the basic template for success. For those 79 matches, Sporting is tied with LA Galaxy at #13 in points, behind 17 other clubs. Clearly, Sporting has not met the criteria in that span (and beyond).

Is it unfair to compare Sporting Kansas City and the “small market” in the Midwest they operate out of with Atlanta United, owned by Arthur Blank, or LAFC, or Philadelphia Union? No, they are Sporting’s competition. Does Sporting have to pay players more to come to Kansas City? Maybe. But the point is in the foundational concepts. Sporting have not done a good enough job of recognizing talent, of injecting youthful athleticism combined with soccer acumen, of replacing aging players, and of constructing their roster to not only compete in MLS 3.0, but to fit their own system of play.

Related: How Sporting KC can look at market inefficiencies to build a contender – The Blue Testament

In time, All things shake loose

In the past, even after a disappointing loss, or especially after a disappointing lost, Sporting KC would go to Atlanta United or Portland Timbers or Seattle Sounders and give them their first home loss of the season or put a stop to a crazy long home winning streak the daunting opponent had or just get an unexpected result. There are myriad examples of similar rebounds, so many that they even became predictable. Those rebounds do not happen anymore. The team seems to have lost character, lost resiliency.

Saturday’s win at Seattle was a good sign. However, no team led by Vermes and captained by Russell is going to lie down. Sporting was a lion backed into a corner by Matchday eleven. That fight, that win, was needed by all to believe again. Whether any substantial change comes of it remains to be seen. It remains possible that Sporting’s character has been dulled by tattered tactics and a third or fourth tier MLS roster.


In the announcement of Zusi, Espinoza, Ilie, and Besler re-signing in September of 2018, an explanatory quote from Vermes was provided.

“These players have consistently performed at a high level and helped the club achieve tremendous success,” he said in a statement. “Their winning mentality, work ethic, team-first attitude and all of the contributions they make outside of the soccer field in the community are integral to our strong culture, and we are excited to continue our pursuit of all of our goals with them in Kansas City.”

Vermes’ quote contains a bit of hyperbole, a lot of truth, and insight to how roster decisions are made. Vermes and the club hold fast to their core values of team first, high work ethic, intelligence, and a daily pursuit of excellence. And those traits are vital and put a team on the direct path toward success. But a club’s culture – no matter how strong it is – does not ensure a good soccer team.

In reality, nothing ensures a good soccer team. Yet, it seems that loyal soldiers who fit the mold of the club culture are held onto, or even reacquired, while quality of play takes a back seat. Shelton, Rosell, Zusi, Espinoza, Benny Feilhaber (reacquired in 2019), Fontas, and even perhaps team captain Johnny Russell are all current or recent examples.

For dedicated fans of Sporting Kansas City, it is uncomfortable to think of moving on from a manager and many of the players who have molded the team that is part of even our own identity; who some of us have come to know personally, even if just on a professional or acquaintance level; who have planted indelible moments into our lives and given us such joy. Sentiment plays a part here. And sentiment might play a part in some of Vermes’ roster decisions. We are all human, these emotional beings. Though we may at times despise those passions.

Related: Editorial: It’s time to move on from Vermes. – KC Soccer Journal

Yet, when problems linger and erosion starts to set in, revealing the underlying faults – those are human too – we have to shake things up.

Sporting ownership shook things up with the rebrand from Kansas City Wizards to Sporting Kansas City in November of 2010. A year prior they had named Vermes as head coach. Vermes’ track record shows that he was indeed the person to lead the club through the rebrand and into a new era as head coach and technical director (that title changed to sporting director in 2019).

Since 2018, a new era in MLS and Sporting Kansas City’s up and down results and multiple roster construction issues reveal that Sporting is not equipped be competitive over the long term (Just sneaking into the playoffs – likely takes 37 points in 23 games for 2023 – is not being competitive. Getting knocked out of the playoffs at home by a lower seeded team is failure.) for MLS 2023 and beyond. The results and the roster construction send similar, though now jaded, messages to the re-signings of 2018:

To fans the message was… “We value commitment.” – the fans need to feel committed to.

To MLS… “We aren’t going anywhere.” – Sporting slumped at home in the postseason in 2018, 2020, and 2021 and missed the playoffs in 2019 and 2022 and will in 2023. Going nowhere.

To current and future Sporting KC players… “This is how to be successful, and we are here to help you succeed.” – There have been a few success stories for young players in Busio and Lindsey. For both academy products and acquired youth, success has been fleeting. We still, however, hold out hope for Ndenbe, Voloder, Tzionis, Davis, Pierre, and others to come.

The events of the last four plus years and the continual downturns of the last 79 matches make the uncomfortable comfortable. Allowing Sporting’s tectonic plates to continue shifting amid faults and create further pressure will lead to a quake that will have even more lasting aftershocks.

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KCSpurs1996

That was a great read; well done Robert! Couldn’t agree more with everything stated. Our roster methods are archaic and we’ve failed to adapt to the rapidly-changing MLS landscape.

CharredOne (aka Dachefsfan)

I agree. And I think the least the ownership group could do is find a team in Europe, like Liverpool or man city or Dortmund or Bayern Munich or some other High level team (using those specific teams as I know they’ve had consistent success in one realm or another of player acquisition or development), and see if they would be willing to allow us to get some consultation with their coaching staff and/or Sporting director or at minimum someone from both of those respective groups. Find out where we’re missing it. See what they see and where we’re doing well. Strengths and weaknesses.

Maybe PV is too stubborn, prideful, or arrogant to ask for help. Maybe ownership is. Maybe their too clueless and believe every word PV says and their floating over his delusional rainbow of everything will be just fine and come back around soon. Maybe it’s not a delusion, but what’s the harm in confirming whether or not we’re on the right path.

Shawn Gillogly

Excellent article. MLS is a capped league. There is no room in it for rewarding past performance in present contracts. That is what Vermes did with those 2018 deals. They represented good value for maybe 2yrs. But not as a long-term commitment. And of the 3, only Besler was ever a top 5 player at his position in the league. And he was already showing signs of fading.

To my mind, if you sign a DP, it should be with the intention of that player being elite at the position. The only SKC DPs one could argue that with are Felipe Gutierrez and Alan Pulido.

Add to that Sporting has failed to replace roster depth let go to overpay for not-elite DPs. And an insistence on bringing in players on their last contract rather than finding young (cheaper) talent, and the entire model is a mistake. Add to that Vermes repeatedly running off/down young players while giving veterans a free pass, and it’s been upside down roster construction for a capped league. Sooner or later, we had to pay for it.

NC-73

Perfectly summarized. When the STM rep started hitting me up in August last year to renew my season tickets, I begrudgingly declined. I had been a STM for 11+ years so the rep was really curious why I decided to give up the tickets. This article perfectly encapsulates what I was trying to convey to them but you’ve done it in a far more articulate way. I wish you had written this a year ago so I could have just sent them a link to this 🙂

MisterMurse

This spells out so much without even going into terrible match management, substitutions, injury management and so much more. When players look so much better after being let go for free it says that it is a coach/manager issue – the Ilie saga touches on that but there are many others that exist. It is like Vermes wants high work ethic and intelligent players that only follow his orders – and never stand up for themselves. I feel like an unseen story is just that – but we will never have proof outside of Cruizet vague-booking everyone

kcrews123

I think Espinoza going out of his way after the Montreal losses to say things to the effect of “Vermes doesn’t control us”, “Vermes is a very good coach and he knows what he’s doing”, “I fully trust everything he says because he says so” attests to this.
I think there’s a reason the old guys that should be long gone are still laying consistent minutes: they’ve been under Vermes so long and don’t question him at all.

thomas

The Open Cup loss at Houston last night was another perfect example.

It must be 100 times, if not more, in the past 5 years this team has had virtually 100% possession and didn’t come close to scoring. Instead they give up one soft goal on a counter and lose, even playing 60 minutes against 10 men.

Of course, we were chasing a tying goal, which would have meant playing 120 minutes. So, instead of taking Espinoza and Zusi out of the game, Vermes subbed out Felipe Hernandez, who actually looked semi-dangerous. From that point on, the only ideas we had on offense involved 36-year-old Zusi hitting crosses 10 rows into the stands. Well, that, plus the Gerso move that has become the go-to move for every forward: kick the ball toward your own end line and then run like hell to chase it down before it goes out of bounds and blindly ground pass it to the middle of the box through 5 defenders.

The 2018 retooling worked well that year, but has been a disaster ever since. Vermes did modify the style from the incessant fouling of 2011-17, but the new style is basically trying to replicate the 2006 Spain team that could pass from the keeper all the way to the striker and back again for 15 minutes straight. The problem is that requires absolutely world class players at every position, and as you say, that has absolutely not been the case.

jdkus11

This was excellent and highlights so many of the things I have been disappointed in over the past few years. Your point about wasting money on CBs and not signing true DP’s is a really important one that I hadn’t thought about before. There for a while we had a bad habit of just sticking that label on guys that we really liked which allowed us to pay them more than they probably deserved and then being in a tough place when we found a player to actually fill that role. Of our DPs now, in my opinion, Pulido is the only one that really seems to be at the DP level when he was healthy. Kinda and Thommy could be like that, but compared to other DP midfielders, they’re just not on the same level.

kcrews123

Not really related to the article (with was excellent, so I don’t mean to take anything away from it), does anyone know about Sporting sending a cease and desist letter to a local STL podcast for using the term Soccer Capitol?

That’s pretty ridiculous. This organization needs to focus on way more pressing matters than a podcast using a term that you asserted to yourselves, especially when we’re in no position to act like we’re more of a “Soccer Capitol” than STL

Buy hey, Sporting fans get 15% off Amtrak tickets for the game in STL. Yay.

Last edited 2 years ago by kcrews123
KCSpurs1996

I remember reading about that and talking with one of my St. Louis buddies about it. So disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, but this is my understanding of trademark law based on research.

Trademark owners have a legal obligation to defend their trademark when they believe it has been infringed upon. Failure to defend your trademark could ultimately lead to forfeiture of your exclusive right of use and right to defend the trademark, a legal concept known as abandonment. Infringement occurs when the same or similar mark is used by someone else AND its use is likely to cause confusion. The confusion component often comes into play when it is a direct competitor who is comitting the infringement.

In Sporting’s case, they hold a trademark on the phrase “Soccer Capital of America.” A fan podcast for STL City was using the name “Soccer Capitol.” Sporting’s likely argument was that the phrasing was too similar to their trademark and it is likely to cause confusion since it’s being used by a direct MLS competitor.

I promise this isn’t a burner account for one of the SKC execs 🙂 Personally, I always thought it was really corny that we trademarked that phrase. I also realize that the cease and desist doesn’t look good, because it makes us look like we’re picking on the little guy. But from a legal standpoint, I do understand it. Also, I think there’s been a renewed effort to market this TM like crazy with the WC coming in 2026.

I will say, I think some of the STL fans, and it’s probably just a vocal minority, have been a bit dramatic saying that we stole their heritage or something along those lines. Theoretically, any city could make such a claim as being the Soccer Capital, as it’s a purely subjective claim. It just so happens that SKC went out and actually trademarked the phrase. Of course, STL does have a rich soccer history, arguably richer than KC, and I think that should still be respected and celebrated. I’m genuinely happy they got their own MLS franchise.

KCSpurs1996

Ran out of time to edit my comment, but one more point I didn’t make: since it was an informal fan podcast, whether it actually posed a threat to the TM is maybe debatable. I think it would have been a more clear cut case if the actual club was using “Soccer Capitol” in their marketing and promotional materials. But it does feel a little ticky tack to go after a podcast that isn’t affiliated with the club in any other way beyond being fans. But again, I’m no lawyer and maybe that’s still enough of an association that SKC felt the need to defend.

kcrews123

Yikes, I didn’t know they even trademarked the phrase – that almost makes it even more stupid haha. I get that things have to be protected, but a phrase – a corny and fabricated one nonetheless – seems like a dumb thing to bother copyrighting. All that tells me is that they’re too focused on having things like phrases to say things like “look, this is what we are because it’s our phrase”.

Thank you for the explanation though! I personally think they should have let it go, good riddance to that “title” haha

Shawn Gillogly

I’d feel more annoyed about the TM issue if the podcast hadn’t intentionally done it to give themselves publicity. It was a stunt. They got recognized. And I like the “Cease and Desist Derby,” as a name. 😉

KCSpurs1996

I was joking with my St. Louis friend that surely we can do better than having the rivalry rooted in intellectual property law. Someone’s gotta come up with something better haha

Shawn Gillogly

I mean, to me, that’s the kind of thing that makes a rivalry feel real. Fans of one team marching through the other city with a casket draped in their kit when they get relegated. Ultras getting after each other. One team being right wing and the other left. Or one team favoring domestic players and the other importing.

Clashes of ideas and culture are what makes a rivalry at least as much as geographic proximity. This feels far more organic a cause for rivalry than MLS saying, “You two teams are close together. You’re rivals now.”

The Loons are not a rival. Chicago used to be. But honestly, RSL and Houston are more rivals now. St Louis feels like it could be an authentic rivalry, because KC has been claiming to be something St Louis feels historically is theirs. That’s what rivalries should be about.

Last edited 2 years ago by Shawn Gillogly
Terry Seiter

Great post Robert. We have sat beside each other in the East Stands for 7 years, watched and discussed all of the topics you backed with facts and statistics. One could offer the Perfect Storm has been brewing since 2019. Aging players, signings and development players not panning out, and injuries. PV is accountable via his responsibilities in the organization. We have no team speed, back, mid, or forward. Rob’s heard me say many times, “speed always wins, particularly when you high press, make poor passing decisions, and get beat, with little hope of recovery, you are also vulnerable to being played long over the top.

Aging players are injury prone, heal slower, and typically will perform slower, never returning to form. With Ille and a solid midfield you draw the defense, open the pitch up for your forwards and can have 3 players with at least 10 goals, tough for a defense to stop. Our midfield is average, our forwards are not finishers. Possession is just a stat, shots are just a stat, this is about putting the ball in the back of the net and wins, at this point a draw is the same as a loss. I also read the Star article about PV heeding to have all the tools available in his toolbox. Even though he is closer to this reality, the results remain the same. I get this past week, 3 games, but that USOC lineup vs Houston turned out as it should have. Espinosa and Zusi are late game subs, Salloi is soft and not a finisher, Shelton – please…, This and prior seasons are the movie Ground Hog Day, replayed year after year, Bill Murray finally got it, PV does not.

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